Here are some advanced mobeius patterns to consider for the T-shirt. You indicated that you would post these jpeg files on your web site. I tried sending them directly to the Looper's Delight group, but the incredibly slow upload indicated a file far too large for that medium. As it is, they view too large on the screen. If I had known how to reduce them to a more manageable screen size, I would have. Best viewing might be accomplished by printing them out. Please honor my copyright. If you care to use these designs for any purpose, loopy or otherwise, please contact me first. And please post this "copyright honorance" with the files you may post on your web site, along with my email address, and the following statement: You all may be interested to know that I have fifty to seventy-five of these sketches, "raw maps" for another hundred or more, and a kind of personal math for generating several hundred, or thousands more beyond that. If a particular design resonates with you, but you'd like to see something a little different, please let me know; I may already have something cooked up or may be able to rapidly cook up something. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us